Change your reality with Ron Matthews + the Science of Miracles

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INTRO

Ready to have a deeper conversation about body and soul, sacred leadership, and our collective evolution? Welcome to the Wise Body, Ancient Soul podcast with me, your host, Charisse Sisou.

Charisse Sisou (00:01.686)

Oh yeah, good time for a breath. I am so excited and delighted to welcome today’s guest, Ron Matthews, who is the creator of the Science of Miracles. And I’m going to let him tell you all about that. But before we dive in, I just want to give you a little background on our amazing guest today. So Ron is a martial arts master.

He has practiced and taught since 1972. And in his professional career, and this is the part that I love, Ron was an engineer and physicist working for MIT Draper Laboratories, Cisco Systems, so big prestigious names, right? He was technical lead for Raytheon’s Electromagnetic Environmental Effects Group, say that ten times fast. And his…

His intense interest in martial arts and in particular, the development of the mysterious energy known as chi led him to apply this energy in some extraordinary ways in the areas of health, healing, and personal transformation. I love that. So yeah, we are in a treat. I can’t wait to learn more about the science of miracles. And as defined, right, this is a reliable and repeatable.

method for transmuting thoughts of your most cherished desires into physical reality. Because we are co-creators and what like I what fascinated me in speaking with you. So Ron and I had a great conversation offline just a I don’t know a couple weeks ago, a week ago. And what really struck me was how Ron you’ve like codified.

You’ve really mapped out this methodology in a really science-based way, tested and proven way. And so I just feel like it’s gonna reach so many people. Like we were just talking about, like the folks that maybe, unlike me, where I’m like, I just take that intuitive leap. Just, that’s where my life path has taken me. Oh my gosh.

Charisse Sisou (02:23.018)

I kid you not, but there’s a unicorn walking down the street right now. We’re recording this on Halloween. And so, uh, I guess folks are already getting into a costume because, and what, how perfect because I mean, I feel like you’re a bit of a unicorn less. I think, and the thing is the unicorns are, are coming out. Like we are emerging. We are emerging from the shadows, right? Um, but how perfect that, uh, a guy in a unicorn onesie.

should happen by right as we’re starting our interview. Absolutely not, absolutely not. So I’ll start this the way I started our conversation, which is how do you go from, right? MIT, Raytheon, how do you go from engineer to the science of miracles, like, and where you are now?

Ron Matthews (02:56.415)

There are no accidents.

Ron Matthews (03:17.224)

Well, first of all, I want to thank you, Charisse, for having me on. This is a real honor for me. Thank you so much. And before I start, I have to tell your audience, I’m from Boston. And so I tend to talk fast. So if I start to go really fast, just go like this and let me know to slow it down. So it wasn’t so much going from being a scientist to being a mystic. I always was.

Charisse Sisou (03:23.415)

My pleasure.

Charisse Sisou (03:39.468)

Mm.

Charisse Sisou (03:44.146)

It was returning to me. Yeah.

Ron Matthews (03:47.232)

I was born with this ability, this blessing or curse, depending on how you see it, of being able to think out of both the right and left hemispheres of my brain at the same time. And I thought everybody could do that. And that caused a lot of acrimony in my life because people like us tend to scare people just because of our presence. And I was the victim of violence as a child and blah, blah.

Charisse Sisou (03:59.062)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (04:15.292)

the usual story for people like us.

Charisse Sisou (04:18.67)

because you were really sensitive, I would imagine. Yeah, same here.

Ron Matthews (04:21.132)

Yeah, always have been, always have been. And that was the reason I was drawn to the martial arts was as a matter of survival at first. And then fell in love with the idea of this mysterious energy. Anything that is deemed mysterious, that’s where I have to go. And if you tell me I shouldn’t go there, that’s like waving a red flag at a bull. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Charisse Sisou (04:29.187)

Totally.

Charisse Sisou (04:46.902)

Yeah, try and stop me. Sure.

Ron Matthews (04:50.444)

And so as I was being educated in the world of physics and higher mathematics, I saw this exquisite divine tapestry unfolding. Everybody else was suffering with the math and I was thinking, oh my God, this is the blueprint of the universe. How cool is this? And so that was how I made my bread and butter. I still had, I ran two martial arts schools at night.

Charisse Sisou (05:09.102)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (05:19.36)

That was my passion. I worked during the day as an engineer. I was Clark Kent. You know, during the day I’d go into the phone booth and turn into Super Geek and…

Ron Matthews (05:30.424)

About, oh God, around 2005, I had the good fortune of becoming acquainted with Donna Eden, who is a world famous energy healer and actually went through a two year training with her. And what Donna did more than anything else for me was to give context to what I was already doing. And so it gave me a language for talking about.

why I could remove bruises from my students with my hands. And I thought, well, everybody can do this. You know, this is, you can do this too, right? And they were like, no, we can, we can. We always have been able to, we have been taught to forget. We’ve been taught to believe. And I tell people this and they get really rankled, which makes me so happy when I do that. But the media has been deployed for the past 50 years to inculcate.

Charisse Sisou (06:08.502)

Well, the thing is we can’t.

Ron Matthews (06:28.012)

a culture of stupidity, gullibility, and cowardice into the mainstream thought process. And so we have been falsely led to believe that we are way less than we actually are. One of my favorite quotes is from the nephew of Muhammad, the prophet of Islam. His name was Ali. Ali said, this is a quote.

Dost thou reckon thyself but a puny form when within thee the universe is enfolded?

Charisse Sisou (07:02.226)

Oh, I just got like a flush over my scalp. So I’m a, I feel things in my body. I think that’s clairesentient, right? And so when I get those confirmations, it’s like, yes. And I just, I want to rewind because you said, you just said it in passing, like, oh, I could remove bruises with my hands. Like can’t everyone do that?

Ron Matthews (07:05.464)

Yeah.

Ron Matthews (07:11.154)

Yeah, yes, exactly.

Ron Matthews (07:17.22)

Yeah, yeah.

Charisse Sisou (07:31.724)

Can you tell me a little bit more about what…

Charisse Sisou (07:38.154)

what that looked like because I think, you know, we love to focus. Oh my gosh. And I want to dive into the media too, because I think, well, and it’s not just the media. It’s like this whole our education. We’re just taught that we’re powerless. You know what I mean? And it’s too just kind of like so that we forget because should we know, like as Ali says, like the power.

Ron Matthews (07:54.404)

Yeah, it’s true. It’s true.

Charisse Sisou (08:07.618)

that we hold within us. I wanna dive a little bit deeper because I’ve had people call me on this too, where they go, you know, we focus on the end product, right? Like I wanna talk about the science and miracles, but at the same time, like for folks listening, it’s so important that we know, like that you started human, you know, yes, coming in with the gifts that we all have access to, yours were turned on, right? And you remembered them.

which is powerful. You mentioned this before that like most of us, we come in with this stuff, but then as we leave childhood, you know, it’s like, I feel like there was a really specific moment where I was like, well, time to leave childish things behind and be an adult now. And being an adult meant putting on this suit, you know, someone other than who I was so that I could fit in, right? So I’d love to hear more about

Ron Matthews (08:58.492)

than who we are. Yes. Yes, that’s right. That’s right.

Charisse Sisou (09:05.742)

Um, you know, whatever you’re willing to share about what it was like to be that kid, you know, living in, from both sides of the brain and, um, you know, and, and what you could intuitively do.

Ron Matthews (09:22.96)

Well, I intuitively learned to hide because I was always being beaten up. I was the kid in your school who got beat up every day. That was me. And so I had to learn to survive. And…

Ron Matthews (09:39.636)

That was a blessing because the blessing led me to the martial arts, which led me to so many other things. But what I wanted to talk about, if I may pivot with your permission, to master the science of miracles, which is the name of the system that I created. And it’s taken me a long time to say that and say I created this, you know, because… But I did. I mean, that was…

Charisse Sisou (09:50.41)

Yeah, sure, sure.

Ron Matthews (10:05.944)

And in doing that, I’m standing on the shoulders of giants, and I’ll talk about that a little bit later. But through the work of a very obscure author, whose name was Max Freedom Long, he wrote a book called The Secret Science Behind Miracles. And I read that book 20 times if I read it once. And there was something in there that once…

Intrigued me at the same time. I said he’s missing something here. He just is something he’s not seeing and So I began to reconstruct what he was doing and had

moderate success, so-so success, you know, it’s helping some people, some people had no effect at all. And I just shrugged that off as well, that’s, you know, that’s like anything else, you know, there’s the 80-20 rule. So, um, and then I realized that something Max was talking about he himself did not understand, and that was the dance with energy. He was watching this happen. He was watching people doing these, the Hawaiians,

Charisse Sisou (11:06.27)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (11:15.864)

He was an English teacher on Hawaii. He was watching the kahunas do these practices that involved intense breathing and gesticulations with their hands. And then when they would, after a time of doing this, they would engage in these treatments, for lack of a better word, that resulted in things that we would call miraculous.

Charisse Sisou (11:17.888)

Okay.

Charisse Sisou (11:29.246)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (11:44.828)

You know, healing a broken bone in 10 minutes.

Ron Matthews (11:50.324)

And it suddenly hit me that what he was seeing was he was seeing a derivative of a Chinese practice called Qigong. You all heard, I’m sure your audience has heard of the show from the 70s called Kung Fu. And then Kung Fu became a word that mean that the popular vernacular meant Chinese martial arts or Kung Fu just means high skill. So you could be a florist and have, you could have Kung Fu in your…

Charisse Sisou (11:52.002)

Hmm.

Charisse Sisou (12:14.158)

Ah, okay.

Ron Matthews (12:19.324)

flower arranging. So, Qigong is the skill of developing this internal energy, this internal power. And I thought, so I’m yelling at Max, I’m yelling at him saying, why didn’t you consider this Qigong? Even though he died in 1971, it hit me that what he was seeing was a derivative of that. And the other thing Max described in his books was going to a quiet mental state in order to send your thought form to

what they term your high self. And so I dove in more deeply and I said, okay, I’m going to be very brave here. I’m going to sweep what Max believed off the table. I’m going to plug in what I know of Qigong. I practiced Qigong for 50 years. And I’m going to use some of the methods of Jose Silva, who was the person that developed the Silva Method, Silva Mind Control, Silva Ultramind.

Charisse Sisou (12:52.384)

Hmm

Ron Matthews (13:20.82)

And when I did that, what happened left me in slack-jawed awe because the results were scary. They were so good, they were scary. And I thought, okay, this is something. And so I wrote everything down I could think of about this. And it’s a book. I haven’t published it. I have to rewrite it. But I wrote it. And I said, okay, before I…

I bring this to the world, I’ve got to vet this and make sure that what I am seeing, what I’m seeing happening from the things I’m doing aren’t just a fluke. They aren’t just one of those things that you have, it happens and you go, well, that was just a one-off, that was a nice coincidence. So I began bringing a number of people through the whole system. And then.

Charisse Sisou (14:00.535)

Sure.

Charisse Sisou (14:09.778)

Yeah, I would. So you’re like, it’s like you’re connecting the dots between all these different pieces, like seeing the things that some of these authors couldn’t see themselves or connecting the dots with the energy with the martial arts. What were, so you said, left you slack-jawed and all like what were some of those? What did you, what did you witness?

Ron Matthews (14:23.613)

Right, right.

Ron Matthews (14:37.088)

I witnessed a person who was exhibiting the symptoms of a post-surgical bowel blockage because of scar tissue.

And after one treatment, next day, her symptoms vanished. And the person is my wife. She had had a radical appendectomy, where nowadays, appendectomies are done laparoscopically. They go in with their fiberoptic scope and their remote control scalpels, and they do it that way. Hers burst, her appendix burst.

Charisse Sisou (15:16.397)

Oof.

Ron Matthews (15:17.324)

And so they did a whole open bowel surgery. And as a result of that, in the following year, she developed a bowel blockage because of scar tissue. So I talked to the surgeon after the operation. I said, how likely is it that this is gonna happen again? He said, very likely, very likely. Now, this was before I had met Donna [Eden].

Charisse Sisou (15:41.122)

Mm.

Charisse Sisou (15:45.11)

Yeah.

Ron Matthews (15:45.368)

And before I had started on this journey of what has become the science of miracles. And so two years later, I think, she was beginning to exhibit the same symptoms again. And I thought, okay, this stops here and now.

Charisse Sisou (15:58.932)

Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (16:02.578)

Now the first time, like it was dealt with surgery or?

Ron Matthews (16:08.944)

The first time with the surgery, yeah, she had, yeah, when it happened again, I was a little bit smarter. And so I said, okay, I’m gonna try this. If it doesn’t work, then we’ll go back to the hospital.

Charisse Sisou (16:10.498)

Gotcha, gotcha, okay.

So if you’re interested in learning more about the

Ron Matthews (16:22.236)

And the symptoms are severe. When you have a bowel blockage caused by something like that, it is severe. And she was exhibiting these symptoms and she was scared. And I said, before we go and do anything, let me try something. And she said, go, do it, please. And the next day, she was completely symptom free and has remained symptom free ever since.

Charisse Sisou (16:29.442)

Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (16:44.59)

That’s fantastic.

Ron Matthews (16:46.024)

The other thing was I was treating a person with energy medicine, a client of mine. I don’t see clients that way anymore because I’m so busy with the science of miracles. But she had been with me for a while. I get a text from her and she said her girlfriend’s husband, who had been, he was retired fire chief in Western Canada, he’d been in a rollover accident. He was in a coma.

And the problem was, yeah, I was in a car, his car rolled over and he was in a coma. And she said, the strange thing is, according to the doctors, his EEG says there’s no reason why he should be in a coma.

Charisse Sisou (17:15.174)

A rollover accident, okay. Oh my goodness. Yeah, whoa.

Ron Matthews (17:30.152)

She said, is there anything you can do? And I said, I don’t know, but I’ll try. So I did what I do. I projected myself to him. I know for those in your audience who aren’t comfortable with this conversation, you may think I’m crazier than a one-eyed rat in a tin outhouse. But I perceived that his energies were not patterning the way they should.

Charisse Sisou (18:00.5)

Hmm.

Ron Matthews (18:00.6)

If you could see energy, if you could see your aura, see my aura, you would see that it’s made up of a kaleidoscopic pattern of these crisscrossing, very symmetric, very beautiful energies. That’s a harbinger of health. When we are sick or when we’re under duress, those energies tend to deviate from that pattern. They go straight up and down. It’s called homolateral energy patterning.

Charisse Sisou (18:15.17)

Hmm.

Charisse Sisou (18:30.211)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (18:30.96)

And this guy was homolateral. So I did some work on him to reestablish his energies, brought myself back to the present, went back to work. 20 minutes later, I get a text from my client. She said, Marty just woke up.

Charisse Sisou (18:47.607)

Wow.

Ron Matthews (18:47.656)

So I thought, well, that’s weird. Okay, that’s a slack-jawed awe moment. And my son used to be a professional psychic. So I called him and I said, did I do this? And he said, yeah, you did. What’s the problem? So those are just a couple of the more dramatic ones. Others of them have been less dramatic, but no less impactful for the person. When I talk about the high self,

Charisse Sisou (19:10.074)

Sure.

Ron Matthews (19:15.804)

You know, in all the holy books of the world, the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita, well not the Bhagavad Gita, but major holy books talk about us as being created in the image and likeness of the creator of all that is, whether you call it God or Yahweh or Allah, doesn’t matter what you call it because it’s beyond our comprehension anyway, so call it whatever you want.

Ron Matthews (19:42.476)

Our High Self is a perfect replica, a perfect image of that, reflection of that in a temporal world, analogous to the way the sun appears in a mirror. If you hold a mirror up to the sun, is the sun in the mirror? No, of course it’s not. The sun’s 93 million miles away. It’s 1,000 times bigger than the Earth. However, if you look at the image of the sun in the mirror, it will blind you just as surely as if you looked at the sun.

Charisse Sisou (19:53.26)

Mmm.

Charisse Sisou (20:11.7)

Yeah.

Ron Matthews (20:12.888)

And in that way, our high self is that reflection. The 19th century prisoner in exile, whose name was Abdul-Bahá, said that part of us is the ray of the sun of reality. Now, if you follow that line of reasoning, that is an entity which loves us beyond our ability to comprehend. If you think of the person or persons that loved you in your life, beyond your ability to deserve.

Charisse Sisou (20:17.143)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (20:42.856)

You know, regardless of how, whatever you had thought you had done in your life that made you bad, they still loved you. It didn’t matter, they still loved you. Now multiply that by a hundred thousand, and you begin to have just an inkling of what that self is. It always is with us, always wants to participate in our life, but we have to ask it to. And learning how to ask is the key. And so, one of the…

Charisse Sisou (20:53.771)

Brave.

Ron Matthews (21:14.1)

instances with a young woman I was working with when I was first bringing people through this. And so I taught her how she said that she had never, when she meditated in the morning, she was never able to get into that meditative state. So I showed her a 30-minute process. I said, do this once a day for 30 days and you’ll be good, right as rain forever. And so she contacted me and she said, Ron, I think I’m going nuts. And I said, well, okay.

Charisse Sisou (21:19.691)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (21:44.568)

Can you give me a little more information? Yeah, yeah. And she said, whenever I go into meditation and I begin focusing on my desired outcome and loving it as though it’s my dearest beloved, I’m suddenly in a situation where my eyes are just…

Charisse Sisou (21:46.122)

Some context, yeah. More words, please, yeah.

Ron Matthews (22:11.368)

flowing with tears and I’m overcome with gratitude and joy and love. And I said, well, congratulations, my darling. You have been in intimate contact with your High Self. You have graduated. Go forth and conquer. Set the world ablaze. And that is really the essence of what Master the Science of Miracles is. It is recognizing that we are not…

Charisse Sisou (22:22.924)

Yeah.

Ron Matthews (22:41.248)

a body with a brain. We are in fact three beings in one. Three beings in one. So if you were a student of psychology, you would be familiar with the work of Freud and Jung, who talked about the subconscious and the conscious minds, and Freud, sorry, Jung even

Charisse Sisou (22:47.718)

Mm.

Charisse Sisou (23:06.619)

Mm-hmm. Yes.

Ron Matthews (23:10.34)

The Kahunas, who are a… They are descendants, the Polynesian mystics are descendants of a society that existed at least 10,000 years ago. And they were able to vanquish or to eliminate poverty, illness, and conflict or aggression from their society because of their understanding of the triune nature of the human experience. And so…

we have this conscious self, which nominally is our brain. Now that’s the part of us that thinks linearly, it does algebra, it has ideas, that’s the big one, it has ideas, it creates possibilities, it balances a checkbook, it does all that stuff, linear thinking confined to the five physical senses. Then the subconscious is a very enigmatic part of us and you know, Candace, the late Candace Pert in her book,

Molecules of Emotion, pointed out that the subconscious is actually distributed throughout our physical body. And that consciousness is actually expressed through the energies in our bodies, the meridians, the chakras, the aura in particular. There are others, but I don’t want to digress. So, the subconscious…

Charisse Sisou (24:11.802)

Mm-hmm.

Charisse Sisou (24:16.15)

Yes.

Ron Matthews (24:34.244)

administers and controls every involuntary function in our bodies, our heartbeat, our blood pressure, our digestion, movement of lymph, growth and decay of cells, everything. Everything is done by the subconscious. It happens beneath our conscious awareness. And it is the part of ourselves that drives the bus of our lives. It drives the bus.

Charisse Sisou (25:00.934)

Exactly, exactly. It’s the invisible driver. And I talk about this a lot as well. It’s like, very often for so much of us, we’ll just be going through life not aware of our driver’s agenda based on because that subconscious is affected by so many things, right?

Ron Matthews (25:19.645)

That’s right.

Charisse Sisou (25:27.082)

Okay, I don’t want to interrupt. Please keep going. But I love listening to you because it’s like it’s literally like a reading list. And then this piece and then this piece and then this piece. And I think, you know, it really goes beyond connection to synthesis, right? I find that so many of the folks that I’m drawn to, because I’m of this generation as well, it’s like the bridge.

generation, right? Like we are bridging from where we’ve been on this timeline to where we’re going, right? And that really requires bringing together wisdom traditions, lineages, some ancient pieces along with new pieces, right? And it’s mostly remembering stuff that we did once know.

Ron Matthews (26:04.888)

Yeah.

Ron Matthews (26:24.223)

That’s right.

Charisse Sisou (26:26.158)

And, but then being able to translate it for modern day human. Right. And so, I mean, what you’re describing is like, that’s it’s exactly, it’s exactly that. So, okay. So we left off talking about. Yes. Emotions and subconscious. Yeah, I know. We were just getting through three bodies. Yeah.

Ron Matthews (26:30.788)

Yeah, it’s true.

Ron Matthews (26:37.712)

But wait, there’s more. Um, yeah, yeah. So, so the subconscious, the, it, it remembers everything we have experienced from, from birth until the present time, everything. Even the things that we’re not consciously aware that we were exposed to, your subconscious stores them.

Ron Matthews (27:02.904)

And it has the mental capacity, the mentation, to use the fancy word, of a younger sibling, a nine or 10 year old sibling who desperately wants to please, wants to be of service, can be moody and in a royal pain in the backside.

Charisse Sisou (27:22.436)

I don’t know what you’re talking about, Ron.

Ron Matthews (27:24.644)

No, of course not. This is why. I have no idea.

Ron Matthews (27:30.308)

in the… in his truck.

Charisse Sisou (27:30.582)

Like, could you call it sort of like inner child a little bit like this?

Ron Matthews (27:35.12)

Well, I think the inner child movement was a gesture toward that. I think that they, I forget who the author was that wrote the inner child, but that person was onto something, but I think it’s much more than what this person was expressing because, because…

Charisse Sisou (27:48.81)

It’s more than, yeah, it’s even more than, right, it’s a little reductive.

Ron Matthews (27:55.92)

Our subconscious is the sole and primary channel of access between our conscious self and our divine self.

Ron Matthews (28:10.724)

Only through the subconscious, only through the subconscious, can your intentions, your desired outcomes be delivered to what I call your transcendent self, the part of ourselves that transcends physical reality. And so, because the subconscious can be moody and can, it holds onto all memories, both positive and negative.

Charisse Sisou (28:40.194)

Sure. Would this include, because as you’re speaking, I’m thinking this would include past lives as well because as that, you know, as that connection with our higher self, with that part of us that is eternal, with our divine self, right? That’s a very long, you know what I mean? Well, long, what is time? There is no time, but yeah, exactly.

Ron Matthews (29:03.396)

It’s timeless. It’s beyond time and space. Right, it’s timeless. And so, yes, very much, your, all of our ancestral experiences are coded in our DNA. They’re coded in our DNA here and now.

Charisse Sisou (29:13.943)

Yes.

You are speaking my language. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I know. But this is like, it’s, it’s this intricacy that for me is like, you know, how just it all comes together with the body with you know what I mean? With the subconscious, the conscious, the all of that, just the tapestry, like you were saying is so

Ron Matthews (29:19.172)

I hear you sister. Let the choir say amen.

Charisse Sisou (29:46.51)

complex and beautiful. But okay, keep going. Hey.

Ron Matthews (29:49.384)

So because the subconscious can get triggered by stuff, memories or things that are going on, we may find a situation where we try to send our intention through our subconscious self, through our high self, and the door slams shut.

And so this is where dowsing comes in really handy, because I use my pendulum to interrogate my subconscious. And so the first time this happened, I mean, I’m pretty good at keeping my channels open. And I was doing something. I forget what I was sending intention for. So I created my multi-sensory thought form, which is part of the process of the Master of the Science of Miracles system. And I was ready to send it.

Charisse Sisou (30:14.755)

Mmm.

Ron Matthews (30:40.664)

on a river of energy to my transcendent self and nothing would move. And I thought, well, this is weird. So I get my pendulum out and I said, okay, this is not moving because of anger. No, this is not moving because of greed. No, this is not moving because of fear. Big time yes. So I used a process I call the…

Charisse Sisou (30:47.118)

bright.

Ron Matthews (31:09.128)

personal demon demolisher to eliminate whatever it was. Our personal demons are the things, I’m not good enough, I’m not smart enough, I’m too old, I’m too young, I don’t have the degrees, whatever, it’s all baloney. This is because of fear. So I worked on the fear, I cleared the fear, and when I tried to do it again, the energy flowed like a fire hose. And so…

Charisse Sisou (31:34.141)

Yeah.

Ron Matthews (31:36.512)

In that moment, I realized that this has to be an integral part of Master the Science of Miracles because when we state, I’m going to do this, my reach is going to exceed my grasp, I’m going to do something that scares the bejesus out of me, when we resolve to do that, it isn’t a question of if, it’s a question of when.

Charisse Sisou (31:55.841)

Yeah.

Ron Matthews (32:03.632)

your subconscious is going to have a hissy fit and say, no freaking way. And that’s why this whole process has to be codified in a step-by-step system, because if you leave out one step, then the system breaks. And realizing that your subconscious wants to work with you, but is moody and has to be cajoled or complimented or whatever is a big part of the process.

Charisse Sisou (32:07.374)

Absolutely, absolutely.

Charisse Sisou (32:19.758)

Mmm.

Charisse Sisou (32:30.16)

Loved.

Ron Matthews (32:31.492)

And our subconscious is always trying to communicate with us, but guess what? It does not speak English. Whatever your first language is, it does not speak that. It speaks a language of memories, of emotions, of imagination. So one of my mentors, his name is Rex Sikes, and Rex is one of the few people that Richard Bandler made a master trainer on NLP. And Rex says that you can use your emotions like…

the check engine light in your car. And what I mean by that is, yes, they are, they are. They tell you something needs to be fixed or something needs to be attended to. And so imagine that you have created your, the image of your most cherished outcome, whatever it is. We all have them, whatever it is you wanna do to be or to have, you have created a mental video of that.

Charisse Sisou (33:02.114)

Yes, they are messengers. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (33:10.078)

Yeah. Totally.

Ron Matthews (33:28.152)

and you’re playing that in your head and gosh, I feel great, I’m on top of the world, and all of a sudden you find yourself hit with worry or dread or anger for no reason. It’s like, where the heck did that come from? Well, that’s your subconscious setting your check engine light saying, I need help. I’m telling you, please pay attention to me. And all you have to do is give yourself a hug to begin with. I mean, this is such a powerful concept of…

loving yourself through your body. There was a 19th century prisoner and martyr whose name was Syed Ali Muhammad. And he said, and again, this is a quote, I love quoting a lot of people because they’re all smarter than I am. He said, observe with the eye of thine heart how the reality of thy being is the divinity of thy Lord revealed in thee and through thee.

Charisse Sisou (34:00.564)

Yes.

Ron Matthews (34:27.088)

Thou art he himself, and he is thou thyself, except that thou art, that thou art, and he is that he is. Yeah. Yeah, that’ll give you tingles for a week.

Charisse Sisou (34:36.148)

Mmm.

Charisse Sisou (34:42.27)

Right. It was just a little light, light sprinkle.

Ron Matthews (34:44.44)

Yeah, yeah. So each one of your listeners, your viewers, I want you to right now point at yourself and say to yourself, I am divine. I am the creator falling in love with this creation every morning when I wake up and I see my creation. When you can look in the eyes of another person and see the creator in those eyes, then you’ve done your job. That’s what we’re here for.

Charisse Sisou (35:10.222)

Well, I love how you’re putting this because, like I know the energy of the universe as love. It’s unconditional love, right? That is the language, that’s the energy. And this is so much a piece of my work, is like learning, because just as we were talking about before, how there’s sort of this whole, it says the topic for another day, but like that whole kind of like,

structure that keeps us feeling powerless. But the other part of that is keeps us feeling unloved. Like this is another of the lies that we are told, taught, you know, from childhood to present. It’s just been passed down by folks who are like, that’s what they were taught. So, you know, and so we go through life just like, will you love me? Will you love me? And really, it’s coming home to, oh, I love me.

Ron Matthews (35:46.492)

That’s right.

Ron Matthews (36:05.104)

That’s right. That’s right.

Charisse Sisou (36:05.15)

Right. And so, so much of my own work has just been like, what are tools, reminders, ways to do that? Because when we relax and just, you know, feel, it sounds so simple, but it’s like, but when we relax and just allow the love.

Ron Matthews (36:22.656)

Exactly, exactly. Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (36:25.646)

It’s like the woman that you were talking about with the tears rolling down her cheeks in meditation. Am I going bonkers? Yeah, we’re just feeling the love of the universe, the love that we have within us all the time. The love that we’re capable of, the love that drives everything. Okay, so anyway. Yes, and this is the thing, to your point, it can be challenging depending on where you are on the path.

Ron Matthews (36:31.6)

Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (36:54.582)

to look in the mirror and be like, I love you, divine creator. Mirror work is profound. I mean, I would say like, if you’re listening and you haven’t tried it, like give it a try. I remember one of my mentors and guides is a numerologist, I hope to have him on the podcast actually. Local guy, I’m in the Chicago area. He was a…

Ron Matthews (36:58.825)

That’s so important. That’s so important.

It is.

Charisse Sisou (37:23.466)

professional football player who went, you know, yes, and then ended up going, you know, totally joining the “woo” team. Like you, you know, he grew up, he had a profound speech impediment.

Ron Matthews (37:25.648)

way really oh that’s so cool

Ron Matthews (37:33.882)

Oh my god.

Charisse Sisou (37:43.534)

And so it was like just really difficult for him to communicate. So part of that was part of his journey was like learning how to explore, how to express, how to defend himself. Right. You know, so you can imagine he’s this like big dude. Um, oh my gosh. And where was I going with that? He was talking about when he started working with mirror work and really looking at yourself in the eye.

in the mirror. So I play with this. Like you were on my presentation the other day. That’s how we connected. And one of the tools that I just kind of threw in there was like when you’re looking at yourself in the mirror, throw yourself a little throw yourself a little wink. Right. It sounds. It’s so playful, but you can’t help but smile like you. You smile just like listening to me talk about it. But what this

This guy was talking about the numerologist, right? So you can imagine big tough guy looking in the mirror. He said the first few times he couldn’t even get the words out. His lip was shaking so hard. He was like on the verge of tears. To really love ourselves the way that we are loved is I’m getting like full body chills, right? So, I’m getting like full body chills, right?

Ron Matthews (38:58.405)

Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (38:59.65)

It is, it’s profound. So it’s like, it’s something you can do. You know, we all stand in front of the mirror every day. We’re brushing our teeth, washing our face. We’re doing whatever, you know, washing our hands multiple times a day. It’s an opportunity to just sprinkle in a little bit of this stuff, like just weave it in to your day to day and what you do every day, because this, you know, like you said, it’s like, it’s these steps that as we do them, this is, you know, now we can really.

show up as the co-creators that we are. Okay. Please continue. I know you got like, you’re like, I am still mid thought, Charisse. Okay.

Ron Matthews (39:40.211)

As I’ve gotten older, my train does derail more easily.

Charisse Sisou (39:43.902)

Well, no, it’s good. So we left off, you were talking about, yeah, Sayyid Ali Muhammad and yes.

Ron Matthews (39:47.88)

I gotcha, I gotcha.

Yes, yes. So what he said was a testimony to the fact that we are the divine. We are an expression of the divine, each one of us. Now, one of the things about the subconscious, as powerful as it is, it is also extremely susceptible to suggestion, both ours and others.

Ron Matthews (40:20.012)

Both our own and other’s suggestions our subconscious is extremely susceptible to. I’m punctuating that because I want to give your viewers two gifts. One is to realize that your subconscious, my subconscious, all God’s children’s subconscious, takes every word we say as an imperative, a command.

Charisse Sisou (40:25.25)

Hmm.

Charisse Sisou (40:43.252)

Mmm.

Ron Matthews (40:49.788)

An example that I use when I give seminars is we use the death word way too much in our vernacular. An example is my birthday was day before yesterday and my wife took me out to this gorgeous meal for my birthday and had I not known what I had known, I would have told my friends, oh my God, that food was to…

Charisse Sisou (40:57.261)

Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (41:14.202)

Right. Our words are so important. Happy birthday, by the way.

Ron Matthews (41:16.924)

What’s to die for? Yes, they are. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, I turned 68. So everything you say, your subconscious takes as an imperative, good and bad. So even though it may be uncomfortable for you to say, I love you, to yourself in the mirror, do it anyway.

Charisse Sisou (41:26.582)

Fantastic.

Ron Matthews (41:45.616)

Do it anyway because your subconscious hears that. And whenever you hear someone or including yourself, including especially yourself, say something like that food was to die for, cancel, cancel. Yes, that’s, yes, is, yes.

Charisse Sisou (41:59.502)

Cancel, cancel, right? It’s one of my favorite tools. It’s like, because we all slip because we’re surrounded by it. I mean, I’m even thinking about, as you’re saying that, like how words that we use to talk about success, like the, like, I don’t even want to say it, but like, oh, I, K-I-L-L-ed it. You know what I mean? And you’re like, really? That’s a word, is that, that’s a good thing?

Ron Matthews (42:22.352)

Yeah, I feel that. Careful, careful.

Ron Matthews (42:31.395)

Well, it depends on what you killed, you know.

Charisse Sisou (42:32.702)

supposed to be celebrating that right now. And yet it’s a part of our vernacular, right? So it’s, and it’s so powerful because it’s, yeah, it’s like our words are incredibly important. I mean, I’m reminded of a story that Dr. Michelle Peal told on her in one of her talks. And she’s a powerful healer, amazing teacher as well. And she talked about having people on her table because she’s a naturopath.

Ron Matthews (42:37.648)

Yeah, it is. It is.

Charisse Sisou (43:02.862)

highly gifted for many, many years. And people would get on a table, be healed, sit up, and the first thing’s out of their mouth. I can’t believe it. I don’t believe it. And just like that, the healing would be reversed. And it’s like, this is the power of our word, right? This is why, you know, like when we talk about four agreements, integrity with your word.

Ron Matthews (43:20.516)

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Charisse Sisou (43:32.506)

so key, so, so important. I love the weaving together of all the different mystics and wisdom traditions, because it’s like, I feel, and I share this with you, everyone’s holding a piece of the medicine. Everyone is holding a piece of the truth. And when we bring it all together, right? And we think of the way-showers and the wisdom keepers and the folks who held onto this knowledge.

Ron Matthews (43:50.545)

Yes.

Charisse Sisou (44:01.898)

some of them to their detriment, right? We talk about martyrs, we talk about people who gave up their lives to keep this wisdom and pass it forward so that you and I could today be able to embrace that and incorporate it. So yeah, so our words are super, super important.

Ron Matthews (44:07.2)

Absolutely. That’s right.

Ron Matthews (44:18.556)

That’s right. Our words are magic, which is why they call it spelling.

Charisse Sisou (44:25.296)

Yes, that’s right. That’s right.

Ron Matthews (44:27.8)

So when we find ourselves saying something less than resourceful, immediately say out loud or mentally cancel cancel. That’s a cue to your subconscious to disregard what we just heard. And then replace it with a more resourceful alternative. So when someone tells me, oh my back is killing me, cancel cancel. And now replace it with, oh his back hurts really badly. The other thing is

Charisse Sisou (44:54.114)

Sure.

Ron Matthews (44:59.036)

When somebody asks you, Hey Sharice, how you doing? What do you say?

Charisse Sisou (45:03.486)

I feel great. I’ll say, like, I’m great. I’m wonderful.

Ron Matthews (45:11.068)

The reason I ask that question is because, first of all, they didn’t want to know.

Charisse Sisou (45:16.535)

Huh?

Ron Matthews (45:17.66)

First of all, they don’t want to know how you are. They just do that because that’s what we do. So somebody said to me, hey, how you doing? I said, oh, well, I got this crick in my neck and I woke up not feeling so good. And after the third thing you recite, you look at their eyes and they’re going, oh my God, why did I ask? Please Jesus, take me away. Yes, exactly. So in the 19th century, there was a very famous French psychiatrist named Emile Que

Charisse Sisou (45:21.33)

right? Because sometimes if I’m having a day, yeah.

Charisse Sisou (45:36.854)

I was just being polite, yeah.

Charisse Sisou (45:46.446)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (45:47.492)

And he taught his patients to every day when they got up to say to themselves, either out loud or silently, out loud is better because your subconscious hears you, every day in every way I’m getting better, better and better. So when we signed on this morning before we started this interview, you asked me how I was. Do you remember what I said?

Charisse Sisou (46:06.187)

you

Charisse Sisou (46:17.254)

No, but did you say that every day and every way? That’s right. Better and better.

Ron Matthews (46:19.076)

I said better and better and better. Better, yeah, better and better. Because when you say that, your subconscious takes that as an imperative.

It begins to act on that. And when you say that again and again and again.

Charisse Sisou (46:38.231)

Yeah!

Ron Matthews (46:39.664)

your subconscious begins to go into a condition where it’s looking for opportunities to make that true.

Even if you are laying on the operating table after a trauma, if somebody says to you, how are you, you say, better and better. Now, I may die in five minutes, but I’m going to be better and better because I’m not going to suffer anymore. So from now on, those are two arrows that your viewers can put in their quiver. Cancel, cancel, and better and better. So, Shrevely’s, how are you?

Charisse Sisou (46:57.083)

Absolutely.

Charisse Sisou (47:02.101)

Right.

Charisse Sisou (47:11.01)

My goodness. Yeah. I love it. Oh, better and better all the time.

Ron Matthews (47:17.392)

That’s what I thought you said.

Charisse Sisou (47:20.086)

What I love about that is, you know, it’s so I, first of all, I love how you use the word resourceful, right? Re-source-ful. How can we make this, you know, of source, but re like it’s and what I love about what you just did, because I’m a, I’m a wordsmith. I’m a word person, right? So the difference between what I had said before, I feel wonderful. I feel great. It’s I mean, it’s great.

Ron Matthews (47:36.913)

Yes.

Charisse Sisou (47:48.702)

It’s also like static, right? When you say better and better, however, now it’s also containing that possibility for more, which is like, ah, right. I like it. Okay. Good.

Ron Matthews (47:50.28)

It’s limited. That’s right.

Ron Matthews (47:55.48)

It’s moving, it’s always moving.

Ron Matthews (48:03.132)

So bad things don’t happen to us, they happen for us.

Charisse Sisou (48:06.894)

Absolutely. Yeah. Now that’s, that for me has been one of the most profound shifts in my own life. Because, you know, like you came from, but just a lot of stuff as a kid. And for the first few decades, it was like, it happened to me. And, and I’ll, I’ll never forget the moment where my higher self kind of

cracked through, I was on the phone complaining yet again about my life to someone yet again. And almost it wasn’t like a voice, but it was just this knowing that was like, so this is it. This is, this is your life. Like this is what you’re going to do with like, like it just like flashed on like all these gifts, all these, you know, and like, oh, they really wanted me to pay attention to that. Wow.

Ron Matthews (48:50.788)

I’m sorry.

Seriously dude.

Charisse Sisou (49:04.462)

all these gifts, Charisse and this is, this is what you’re doing with your life right now. You know, it was just, they were just holding up a mirror is all they were doing. And I was like, and you know what? It was, it was profound. It was like, yeah. At what point do we even get bored of repeating the same, uh, you know, the angsty stuff versus like, okay.

Ron Matthews (49:19.269)

Thank you.

Ron Matthews (49:31.618)

Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (49:35.25)

when you say this, and for me, it’s like, it opens up that curiosity too. Like, okay, this is happening for me, right? Like this thing just fell off my shelf for me. I know why, because I was talking about, Charisse, you’ve been given all these gifts. And are you using them? Right. My, my, my board of directors, my guidance team is very happy. They’re like, okay, you’re listening. This is good. So yeah, our.

Ron Matthews (49:42.096)

happening for me right like this thing just fell off myself for me yes because i was talking about tracy you’ve been given all these gifts

Ron Matthews (49:54.693)

Bye.

Ron Matthews (49:57.944)

Yes. You’re getting the horror right now.

Charisse Sisou (50:03.09)

Our words are incredibly important. All of the chain of events, everything is so significant. There’s a gift in everything. Because as I’m listening to you speak, it’s like you were, every text, every mentor, every teacher became a gift that you were unwrapping. And then it’s like, how does this fit in with the tapestry? So we were…

Ron Matthews (50:12.612)

Within it, yes, exactly right.

Ron Matthews (50:26.624)

Absolutely, absolutely.

Ron Matthews (50:31.656)

So if you were.

Charisse Sisou (50:32.894)

Um, we were talking about the three bodies. I just want to bring us back because we, um, we talked about the mental body. We talked about the emotion body, the subconscious. So that third body really is

Ron Matthews (50:43.88)

So that third line really is.

Yeah, that is the part of us that I call it the transcendent self in my book and in my work, because it transcends time and space, it transcends our understanding. There is no duality in that world, and that’s a hard thing for people to wrap their heads around, and whether you can’t, you can’t. The transcendent self is timeless. It’s above and beyond egress and regress, entry and exit.

have no meaning because in that realm, in that realm where we are truly our true selves, everything else melts away and you and I are truly one. And that is one of the things that has been the most difficult for scientists, especially with the implications of some of the discoveries and experiments that have been done in the past 50 years.

in the world of subatomic physics, because that is being pointed to again and again and again. And the most, the biggest joke that God played in recent times was the results of the double slit experiment. And that was the experiment. I don’t want to go into it because it’s kind of long and boring,

Charisse Sisou (51:48.225)

Yeah.

Ron Matthews (52:14.716)

what basically cut to the bottom line, the result of the experiment depended on whether or not there was an observer, someone observing a conscious entity observing. Now, if you take that and you extrapolate on that, you don’t have to extrapolate too far before you come to the conclusion that the, excuse me, the fundamental currency of the universe is not the atom.

It is consciousness.

Charisse Sisou (52:46.197)

Mmm… Mm-hmm.

Ron Matthews (52:48.08)

Somebody asked me about this research that’s being done over at CERN in Europe, the supercollider. It’s CERN. It’s the supercollider over in Europe. They’re going to find the God particle. And when I read that, I laughed out loud. And so somebody asked me, what do you think of that? And I said, not much. And she said, why?

Charisse Sisou (52:56.575)

is being doing where? Okay.

Charisse Sisou (53:03.374)

Okay. Right, right, right.

Ron Matthews (53:16.56)

And I said, they’re saying they’re going after the God particle for one reason and one reason only, because it leaves the door open for more funding for more research. Because what they’ll find is that if they do find this God particle, and I guess they say they have found it, it’s not going to be very long before that decomposes into something else, which means we need more money. The better question is, what is the structure of the vacuum?

Charisse Sisou (53:39.325)

Mmm…

Charisse Sisou (53:45.09)

What is the structure of the vacuum?

Ron Matthews (53:46.444)

of the vacuum of empty space. So I’ll let you chew on that. We can talk about that off air, but yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, that’s why I’m gonna steer away from that because yeah, yeah. I know that. That’s very, I had a very. I know we’ll speak again. Yes. But let’s take it home, right?

Charisse Sisou (53:53.8)

Yeah.

Oh, wow. We got the sciencey there. That was really cool.

Yeah, yeah, I know that’s, woo, we could go into a deep conversation. Well, I know we’ll be I know we’ll be speaking again. But let’s take it home, right? You’ve created this system basically for help, you know, like eating well, you describe it. But for me, I’m seeing it as like you basically teach people how to communicate with. That.

Ron Matthews (54:15.58)

You created this system basically for, you know, like, well, you described it, but for me, the thing is like, you basically teach people how to communicate with that higher self that transcends itself through the subconscious. Yes. Right? And you have this methodology that…

Charisse Sisou (54:32.398)

higher self, that transcendent self through the subconscious, right? And you have this methodology that you’ve tested, put together, you know, drawing from all of these different traditions, so that it’s just practically infallible. Tell me about that.

Ron Matthews (54:47.868)

So then it’s just…

Ron Matthews (54:54.509)

Well, everyone who has gone through this system, who has been compliant, and by compliant I mean have done the work, because there is work to be done. This is not a magic bullet where you take a pill and now you’re enlightened. It’s not that. It requires daily practice, determination, all those things that we know have to happen if we’re going to make significant change. But.

Charisse Sisou (55:03.694)

Absolutely.

Charisse Sisou (55:09.751)

Now.

Ron Matthews (55:21.004)

every person who has gone through the system, who has done the work, has had a profound, I’m not overstating that one iota, has had a profound life-changing transformation. Whatever was their challenge in life, it was transformed, and they did the transformation. And so, in order for this to be…

valid in order for this to be valid in any context. It had to be systematized in such a way that it is reliable and repeatable because if it’s not it’s just a hodgepodge. You know, do some of this and do some of that and pray that something good happens. It can’t be that. So there is a step-by-step process and you have to do each step and none of the steps is difficult.

Charisse Sisou (55:57.749)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (56:14.704)

they may be found to be weird or foreign to many people because we talk about focusing your attention on areas like the area below your navel because that’s a major energy plexus. That’s the place where we start. That’s the energy. The energy that is developed there is the energy that fuels everything else, including and especially the heart. And what I’m not talking about in terms of cardiac.

Charisse Sisou (56:41.506)

Hmm.

Charisse Sisou (56:45.258)

Right. Now, when you talk about that energy center in the chakra system, would that be your second chakra? Yeah.

Ron Matthews (56:45.644)

medicine. Now if we talk about that growth center in the chakra system, would that be your second chakra? Second chakra, yeah. In the Chinese system in Qigong and in Tai Chi, it’s the lower dantian. Dantian means sea of energy, S-E-A of energy. And there are three. There’s one below the navel, there’s one at the heart, and there’s one here, which is the sixth chakra, which is the pineal gland.

Charisse Sisou (57:08.501)

Yes.

Charisse Sisou (57:14.455)

Chills. Yeah.

Ron Matthews (57:15.352)

And so developing the energy, that’s the energy of miracles, is what I call it. Once you have that energy flow, that’s where attention goes. So as you develop this energy, I teach you how to create a multi-sensory thought form of your desired outcome. Multi-sensory means you include all your senses. So think of a time… Excuse me a minute, I’m sorry, I’m getting a frog in my throat here.

Charisse Sisou (57:40.819)

Oh, you’re totally fine.

Ron Matthews (57:44.772)

Remember a time when you were among people that you loved and that loved you. You were happy, you were confident, everything was just firing on all cylinders. Okay? So, if I asked you, if I said, Charisse, please close your eyes and go back to that time and associate into it, relive that time, see the things you saw, hear the things you heard, feel the things you felt. As you do that…

Charisse Sisou (58:12.15)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (58:14.596)

you are going to enter an altered state of consciousness where you associated into that memory. When you do that, I then ask you to affirm that these things I’m feeling are part of me every bit as much as my eyes, my ears, my nose, my toes. And so I can deploy them whenever I choose to. I was in that situation, it made me happy, so I chose to feel these things. When you understand that,

Charisse Sisou (58:32.287)

Yes.

Ron Matthews (58:43.728)

You can take them with you and deploy them whenever you want them. So now, take the thing you most desire and turn it into a movie you’re watching on a movie screen, in a theater of your life as it will be when you are in possession of that which you desire to do, to be, or to have. And then step into the screen and become it and love it like it’s your most cherished loved one.

Charisse Sisou (58:48.04)

Exactly.

Charisse Sisou (59:05.961)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (59:12.772)

and feel all those things, when you do that, that becomes like rocket fuel for your thought form. And when you do that every day…

Charisse Sisou (59:20.578)

Yeah.

Ron Matthews (59:27.788)

It won’t be long before that becomes your physical reality. That’s a lot of physics every bit as much as a lot of gravity, only this is a lot of metaphysics.

Charisse Sisou (59:31.442)

Yeah, it’s really like aligning.

Charisse Sisou (59:39.798)

Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (59:43.302)

I think of it in terms of resonance, right? It’s like that the resonance of that feeling, that connectedness, right? In our happiest moments, we think of our peak moments and knowing that we have access to that every time. I’m just kind of paraphrasing what I’m hearing you say, right? And then to bring that into co-creation, right? So, I love that so much.

Ron Matthews (59:46.956)

It’s like that the breath is about that feeling, that connectedness, bringing our happiest moments.

and no one can have access to that every time. Just kind of… Absolutely. ..pervert what I’m currently saying, right? And then to bring that into co-creation. Yes. So, I love that so much. I’m glad you used the word resonance, because resonance is a physical quality, or it’s a physical and electrical quality. That’s why a guitar, acoustic guitar, is able to…

Charisse Sisou (01:00:13.794)

Mmm.

Ron Matthews (01:00:24.988)

project the notes from the strings because it’s tuned, acoustically tuned, to be resonant in those frequencies. We are tuned spiritually and metaphysically tuned to be living in a state of grace. So when we enter that again, it resonates with our being. The state that most people find themselves in is out of resonance.

Charisse Sisou (01:00:52.34)

Yes.

Ron Matthews (01:00:52.684)

And so it makes them feel less than divine. And we settle for that because we’ve been fed this lie that is who we are. Who we are. That’s exactly, that’s reality, that’s a false reality. And I don’t wanna go into this because it takes some time, but investigate Project Zero from Harvard University. And it started in the 70s, it’s still going on.

Charisse Sisou (01:00:56.226)

That’s reality. Hmm.

Charisse Sisou (01:01:03.37)

And that’s reality. Yeah.

Charisse Sisou (01:01:09.574)

Yeah. Wow.

Charisse Sisou (01:01:17.564)

Mm.

Ron Matthews (01:01:22.16)

But that basically showed the effects of the Western education system on our true intelligence, both right brain and left brain.

Charisse Sisou (01:01:33.858)

I believe that. I think about, you know, we started out talking about the Kahuna’s about something that, and I, you know, I’m, anyway, that knowing, this sort of intelligence of connecting with the earth, you know, the same, I talk about this a lot, like the same knowingness.

Ron Matthews (01:01:36.836)

I think about, you know, we started out…

Charisse Sisou (01:02:02.938)

that got schooled out of us, right, basically, you know what I mean? And it was like, it was like severing this whole part of ourselves that was connected, connected with all that is that, you know, this is the same, the same knowledge that my ancestors were able to navigate all over the world, right? In, in, in their boats, the same, the same wisdom where, you know, Aborigines can find

Ron Matthews (01:02:06.14)

That’s right.

Charisse Sisou (01:02:30.786)

their way across completely unmarked territory because they know, they feel it, they’re connected, right? And then we were kind of taught to view all of that stuff as backwards, primitive, old, you know, like you name it. And that actually the smarter way is to view ourselves as limited, unlovable, powerless.

Ron Matthews (01:02:34.501)

Of course.

Yeah, they are the territory.

Ron Matthews (01:02:46.138)

you know, and actually the, you know, the slur of the way is to be. And separate and separate. That’s right.

Charisse Sisou (01:02:58.13)

Easier to control. We won’t even have to go into that, but yeah.

Ron Matthews (01:03:01.424)

Bingo. That is the crux of the biscuit.

Charisse Sisou (01:03:05.514)

Right, right. Oh my gosh. So this has been just magical. I have enjoyed every minute of this conversation with you, Ron. I know there are so many moments that are like, oh, in that moment, in that moment, in that moment, like so many gems for me, for anyone listening or watching. Oh my gosh. So how can people connect with you?

Ron Matthews (01:03:07.944)

So this has been just…

Ron Matthews (01:03:14.227)

I have to thank you, Charisse I’ve really enjoyed this.

Charisse Sisou (01:03:31.302)

if they want to learn more about the science of miracles, your work, how you’re bringing it all together in a way that every person can be a mystic in a way. You know what I mean? Like, right? Making mysticism accessible. This is the time that we are in right now. So, yeah.

Ron Matthews (01:03:44.552)

That’s the goal.

Ron Matthews (01:03:48.422)

That’s right. The, it’s learning to walk the mystical path with practical feet.

Charisse Sisou (01:03:53.45)

Yeah, I love that.

Ron Matthews (01:03:54.928)

So a couple ways you can reach me. One is through my Facebook group. It’s the Science of Miracles community. And it’s a closed group, so you have to ask for access. But I grant everybody access. And if they misbehave, I ungrant them access. But you can also reach me directly at ron at masterthescienceofmiracles.com. And I’m…

building my website as we speak, but it’s a Herculean task because it’s been 20 years since I built a website. So I’m having to relearn a lot of stuff.

Charisse Sisou (01:04:24.919)

It is.

Charisse Sisou (01:04:31.506)

Oh, sure, sure. There’s lots of new tools. So that’s great. Facebook group, the science of miracles community, or Ron at masterthescienceofmiracles.com.

Ron Matthews (01:04:39.4)

Correct.

Ron Matthews (01:04:44.848)

Yes, and I’m on Facebook as Ron Matthews. So I was on early enough, so I beat all the other Ron Matthews to it. That’s right, that’s right. I was surprised there are so many of us by this name out there, you know. It’s been an honor. Thank you, Charisse.

Charisse Sisou (01:04:47.57)

Okay, fantastic.

Right? An early adopter. I love it.

Charisse Sisou (01:05:00.726)

It’s been an absolute pleasure. I look forward to connecting. Thank you so much. Any last pearl of wisdom before we hop off?

Ron Matthews (01:05:10.02)

Last pearl of wisdom.

Ah.

Charisse Sisou (01:05:16.15)

Or if there’s that one thing that you want people to remember from this conversation, what would it be?

Ron Matthews (01:05:20.412)

The one thing that I want people to remember is that you are an expression of the divine. You are. And so when you hug yourself, you’re being hugged by the Creator. And treat it that way. That’s who you are. That is at your root who you are.

Charisse Sisou (01:05:38.614)

That’s beautiful. Oh, I’m gonna hug myself right now. Ha ha ha.

Ron Matthews (01:05:40.913)

Yeah, absolutely. Yes.

Charisse Sisou (01:05:45.17)

and sending a big hug to you too, Ron. Thank you so much.

Ron Matthews (01:05:47.12)

Yeah, you too. Thank you, Charisse

OUTRO

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